It Came from Above

Ceiling Damage from a Leaking Toilet Above


Continued from Wax Ring Replacement Post:

The Drama unfolds.  As the World Turns and my wax ring replacement has stopped the Toilet from leaking, I can now proceed to fix the kitchen ceiling below. Again, not being a handyman, my friend John made some suggestions04-HolesDrilled .  First, he suggested I drill some holes into the brown spot to let some air get up into the ceiling and let the spot fully dry. So I did that. I took my handy piece-of-crap drill and made some holes into the brown spot.

I set up a fan so that I could blow air directly up into the holes and help evaporate any remaining moisture. I also sprayed some Lysol onto the spot to kill any mold or bacteria that might have started spawning there. After about 8 hours of the fan running, I removed the fan and let the area dry for a few more days on its own.

The next thing I did, was to spray a stain covering and mildew resistant paint called Kilz onto the spot.  I set up all a bunch of newspaper to catch any falling spray and put a thin layer of paint over the spot.  I used an oil-based spray paint in the odorless formula.  I sprayed on one thin coat, and let it dry.  An hour later, I sprayed on a second coat, and let it dry.  I did this about 4 times over a 4 hour period.  That left me with a clean white ceiling with a bunch of holes drilled in it.

05-PatchProductsNext thing I did was to patch the holes with a Spackling compound called DryDex. I like this product because it goes on pink and turns white as it drys. I layered it on over all the holes with a plastic putty knife and let it dry.

When the DryDex fully dryed overnight, I sanded it down with a foam sanding pad. Once the surface was smooth, I took a mini vacuum to the area to remove any miscellaneous dust from sanding the ceiling. I then put on a final coat of the Kilz spray paint and let that dry.

  06-CeilingPatchThe last step was to put on a coat of paint to match my ceiling paint. A nice eggshell white over the Kilz. I can now stand on the floor and enjoy the fact that what I thought was a major problem was actually relatively easy to fix. It took some time and a bunch of steps. The result is that I now love standing in my kitchen knowing I fixed something that I dreaded a few weeks earlier.  It didn’t cost that much money.  I think I paid less than 20 dollars for everything I needed to buy to fix the toilet and ceiling. 

Below I show some before and after pictures of the repair job I did.  There needs to be at least one more coat of paint on the patch to really clean it up.  Actually the whole kitchen ceiling really needs to be painted, so I may wait and do it all at once.

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Before
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After

I’m going to be keeping an eye on the ceiling to make sure the toilet leaking above was from an old and inadequate wax ring rather than a cracked pipe.  So far, so good.  I’m very pleased with the result.


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Leaky Toilet Tribulations

Wax Ring Replacement


Recently, a small brown spot started appearing in the ceiling in my kitchen.  If you’re not really a handyman, like me, you dread situations like this.  Situations in your home where things start breaking, getting damaged and worn down as they always do over time.  I start going through the though process in my head of, "how am I going to deal with this situation."  And the first thing I end up doing is procrastinating.  I’m really good at that.  Maybe the spot will disappear on is own.  I mean, it showed up on its own.

I waited months.  I took pictures of the ceiling spot so I could compare images over time; seeing if the problem was growing worse.  One day, I even climbed up on the counter to touch the spot so I could see if the spot was wet.  It was!  That means that water is probably still leaking up there.  I was still hoping the problem would heal itself and go away so I wouldn’t have to deal with it.  It didn’t. 01-CeilingStain
Turns out that the spot on the ceiling in the kitchen is right below the toilet in the master bathroom.

Ok, I have a source of water located.  Now what is the problem?  My first thought was that a tiny leak in the drain PVC was causing water to slowly drip on the drywall below every time the toilet was flushed.  If this was the problem, I started to think, "how the heck am I going to get a drain pipe fixed that is in the ceiling."  They’ll have to tear the whole ceiling down and do all sorts of shennanigins to fix that bad boy. And on top if it, it will cost me a fortune and be a huge inconvenience.

But a my friend John, who is a lot more handy around the house than I, told me that its not really likely that the PVC drain pipe cracked.  The more likely issue is that the wax ring below the toilet may be worn and needs replacing.  Wax Ring?  What the sam hell is that?  I’ve never heard of or seen a wax ring, and if I had, it wouldn’t have dawned on me that it was a part of a toilet.  Anyway, a quick YouTube search pointed me to some videos on how to replace a wax ring.  I watched some of these and it looked relatively easy to fix this, if it was the problem.
 
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So, I decided to remove the toilet and see if the wax ring was indeed damaged.  I couldn’t tell if there was any damage to the ring, but the area around the Water Closet drain seemed slightly damp. I removed the wax ring because once you pull up the toilet, it pulls up some of the wax too.

So, now I have to go to the local big box hardware store and buy a new wax ring.  When I get there, there are all kinds of rings…what now?  Well, I bought three of them, figuring I would return the ones I didn’t need.  One was like the one I removed from the toilet, the second was taller and thicker in case the drain pipe was lower, and the third had a metal reinforcing ring around it in case of building movement.  I guess this kind is best used in office buildings.03-WaxRing

The first wax ring I tried was the ring similar to the one I was replacing.  I put it down in the drain and gently pushed.  It didn’t feel like there was any contact.  I lifted the toilet up again, and didn’t see any smushing of the wax.  I then lifted up the ring and put down wax ring number 2.  This was a thicker and taller ring.  I put the toilet on top and felt is smash down.  It felt as if there was much more contact, thus sealing the gap between the toilet and the drain pipe.

I tightened the screws to secure the toilet and now I just had to hope that I solved my leaking toilet problem.  Weeks later, no further water damage as far as I could tell.  With the toilet repaired, I next needed to figure out how to repair the ceiling in the kitchen below.  The water damage left that ugly brown spot and I don’t think just painting over it would be sufficient.

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